MyHeritage

[sjager]

Hello,

I migrated from MyHeritage to Ancestris. I have a tree of almost 40000 persons. So I cannot change 40000 x GIVN manually.

At MyHeritage my GIVN format was like:

0 @I2@ INDI
1 NAME Jochem Hanzes /Jager/
2 GIVN Jochem Hanzes
2 SURN Jager
1 SEX M

At Ancestris my GIVN format became like:

0 @I2@ INDI
1 NAME Jochem Hanzes /Jager/
2 GIVN Jochem, Hanzes
2 SURN Jager
1 SEX M

So suddenly I have a comma between the two first names of GIVN. I always use two first names in GIVN.

Maybe someone knows how to solve this? The problem is I have to use the GIVN format in another program and over there only the old format of GIVN is working.

Many thanks.

Best regards,
Sjoerd Jager

[FredericL]

Hi Sjoerd,

What we could consider is doing an export facility for the program you are talking about... What is it please ?

Best,
Frederic

[arvernes]

Hi,

So suddenly I have a comma between the two first names of GIVN. I always use two first names in GIVN.

Maybe someone knows how to solve this? The problem is I have to use the GIVN format in another program and over there only the old format of GIVN is working.

Don't forget that according to the gedcom specifications, the given names must be separated by comma

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NAME_PIECE_GIVEN: = {Size=1:120}
[ <NAME_PIECE> | <NAME_PIECE_GIVEN>, <NAME_PIECE> ]
Given name or earned name. Different given names are separated by a comma. Arvernes

[mother10]

Hi Frederic and Sjoerd,

I looked it up in the gedcom and it turns out the comma (for more then 1  is in the GIVN tag in Gedcom 5.5.1, but in Gedcom 7.0.13 it is possible to have more than 1 GIVN tag for 1 person.
So in fact it looks to me that muheritage outputs it wrong and Ancestris corrects it according to the specs.

But he reads that Ancestris gedcom into a Dutch online service: "genealogieonline", url: http://genealogieonline.nl/ and they keep that comma in.
So an export from Ancestris then should produce an incorrect gedcom to make that online service happy.
Thats what i think.
But that is strange, as Ancestris has to output a "wrong" gedcom.

As far as i know he already asked that online service to correct the input, but i have my doubts they will do that.

Regards,
Tineke

[mother10]

Hi Frederic,

Sjoerd and I had some private conversation today, in which i explained the gedcom things and more.
The example he mentiones comes from this online page:
https://www.genealogieonline.nl/stamboom-jager-en-dijkstra/I2.php
As you can see it says: "Jochem Hanzes (Jochem, Hanzes) Jager".
So Jochem Hanzes is mentioned 2 times. The second time in between () and separated with a comma.

He explained to me that the firstnames used to be mentioned only once.

When you look at this page https://www.genealogieonline.nl/genealogie-van-der-lende-vanderlende/I3217.php , from another tree, from another owner, it says:
"Antje Jans Jager"
She also has 2 first names, but they are only mentioned once and there is nothing in between () or something following it.

So except from indeed removing the comma, and creating an illegal gedcom to keep that online service happy, i have no idea how to solve this.
I would like to know how that other owner from that other tree, imported his information.
Because he does not seem to have that problem.

Maybe Sjoerd can get in touch with that other owner and ask him?? (Sjoerd???)

Tineke

[FredericL]

My proposition still holds: what we could consider is doing an export facility for the program you are talking about... What is it please ?

[mother10]

Hi,

Did some more checking, because i wondered why in that online program, for other tree-owners, names looked correct.
I checked the gedcom from 2 Dutch programs:

Aldfaer:
This is the most wellknown Dutch program. I looked in my own tree, because there are a lot of people with a lot of fisrts and lastnames.
And the 5.5.1 gedco, coming from Aldfaer, has NO GIVN-tags. Not one!!!
ALL info about first and lastnames is inside a NAME tag, so i can have things like:

1 RIN 1063876987
1 NAME Willem Jans (Jan)/Haijes (Haeijes, Heijes, Heije, Hais)/
2 _SURNAS Hayes
1 SEX M
1 BIRT
2 DATE BEF 1778

I cannot check how that might look inside that online service, because i dont use that.
And i didnot check if this is according to the gedcom specs.

GensDataPro3
This is also a wellknow Dutch program but not used as much as Aldfaer.

Example from there:

1 NAME Bernhard Leopold Frederik Everhard Julius Coert Karel Godfried Pieter/van Lippe Biesterfeld/
2 GIVN Bernhard Leopold Frederik Everhard Julius Coert Karel Godfried Pieter
2 SURN van Lippe Biesterfeld
2 NOTE prins der Nederlanden, graaf van Lippe, vorst zur Lippe, prins zur Lippe-Biesterfeld

This is certainly NOT according to the gedcom specs either, because there are no comma's.

Conclusion (carefully, because this is just a very quick lookup) it seems gedcoms from other programs do not have a comma inside the GIVN tag, or have names and surnames etc NOT in a GIVN tag, so the error might never happen with data coming from other programs.

No idea further yet.

Tineke

[mother10]

My proposition still holds: what we could consider is doing an export facility for the program you are talking about... What is it please ?

That program is what i mentioned in my other post: Genealogie online.

[sjager]

Good morning,

Thank you all so much for your nice reply.

Yes indeed as Tineke mentioned the other program (in fact website because I upload the gedcom file over there) is online service: "genealogieonline", url: http://genealogieonline.nl/

This service is not only in Dutch but also in English.

With the MyHeritage gedcom the output via them looks like this:

Family tree Jager en Dijkstra » Jochem Hanzes Jager (± 1773-1836)
Personal data Jochem Hanzes Jager

With the Ancestris gedcom the output via them looks like this:

Family tree Jager en Dijkstra » Jochem Hanzes (Jochem, Hanzes) Jager (± 1773-1836)
Personal data Jochem Hanzes (Jochem, Hanzes) Jager
First name Jochem, Hanzes.

So I get extra data between brackets and an additional line First name which I would like to avoid. This all because of the extra comma in GIVN.

Yesterday I asked them if they already have Ancestris clients and if they maybe could change it from their side. However the last time I communicated with them it took a couple of weeks before they replied.

An export facility as Frederic mentions where the comma is deleted in the GIVN line could solve this issue.

Many thanks.

Best regards,
Sjoerd Jager

[mother10]

Hello Everyone,

In answer to:

Yesterday I asked them if they already have Ancestris clients and if they maybe could change it from their side. However the last time I communicated with them it took a couple of weeks before they replied.

The website Sjoerd and I mentioned has a page showing where there information comes from, so what the original programs are, that were used to input info on that website.
Unfortunately that page gives no date, so i dont know how old this info is.

You can find the page here:
https://www.genealogieonline.nl/stamboom-programma.php
As you can see Ancestris there is on position 34, with only 17 users putting there Ancestris gedcom on this website.
When you look closely to the top programs, you get an idea of the percentage of users of "Genealogie Online" (which is a DUTCH, and VERY WELLKNOW website in our country), and also from what programs their information is coming.

As you can see Ancestris is not (yet) very wellknown overhere.

Tineke

[sjager]

Off topic but maybe interesting. I use their website mainly for their starting points:

Overview starting points (example)
    Sjoerd Jager (Jager en Dijkstra Family) (Proband) - Delete - Settings
    Feddeko Doeckes van Wiarda (Oldest known ancestor in 1 branch) - Delete
    Agge Harings Donia (Oldest known ancestor in 1 branch) - Delete
    Aesge Fockes van Heringa (Oldest known ancestor in 1 branch) - Delete
    Ocke Ulbes Thoe Rispens (Oldest known ancestor in 1 branch) - Delete
    Eda Douwes Gerbranda (Oldest known ancestor in 1 branch) - Delete
    Willem Stevens Wassenaar (Oldest known ancestor in 1 branch) - Delete

In reality I have 72 starting points.

With the help of these starting points and my DNA matches at MyHeritage and Ancestry I try to find common ancestors.

Sjoerd

[sjager]

Hi Frederic,

Maybe you could still make an export facility (with no comma in the GIVN-tag)? I am prepared to make a donation or to pay for it.

Regards,
Sjoerd