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Title: Usability suggestions: Aries Editor
Post by: Paul on October 07, 2019, 10:08:27
Just a couple of ideas which might improve things. I appreciate that some of these will depend on how you use Ancestris for example on a small screen laptop, a widescreen monitor, with floating windows or tabs, which appearance you use etc etc.


Hope that helps?!

Paul
Title: Re: Usability suggestions: Aries Editor
Post by: FredericL on October 07, 2019, 21:41:42
Paul,
First suggestion done. The title is improved. You're right. Much better now.
Will look at the rest tomorrow.
Rgds
Title: Re: Usability suggestions: Aries Editor
Post by: Paul on October 07, 2019, 21:52:23
Thank you. It gets better every day :D :D
Title: Re: Usability suggestions: Aries Editor
Post by: Paul on October 08, 2019, 07:44:16
Definitely better but may I suggest further improvement?

There's no need for the INDI number in the title as it is visible just below to the right.
I don't think there's any need to the birth/death symbols here; it's obvious what something like (1850-1920) means and it prevents a collection of symbols like the one in the attached screenshot when dates aren't known. In such cases you'd end up with ( - ) or (1750 - ) or ( - 1960) which is clearer IMHO
Should the font be a little bit bigger?

Much better anyway :D
Title: Re : Usability suggestions: Aries Editor
Post by: FredericL on October 13, 2019, 12:24:27
Improvements will be available tomorrow !
Title: Re : Usability suggestions: Aries Editor
Post by: Paul on October 13, 2019, 12:29:16
Great, I'll look forward to this. Ancestris is very useable and now my first choice genealogy program - thanks to you and the team.  :)
Title: Re: Usability suggestions: Aries Editor
Post by: Paul on October 13, 2019, 13:16:56
There's another slight problem I've noticed with Aries, although it could be related to the app as a whole. If I have views of say, the entities table and Aries side-by side, dragging the vertical window divider is incredibly slow (and the mouse cursor often 'loses it's grip' and I have to start dragging again). Exactly the same issue happens when trying to adjust the column widths in Aries' multimedia tab.

Adjusting column widths in the entities table doesn't suffer from this problem.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re : Usability suggestions: Aries Editor
Post by: FredericL on October 13, 2019, 17:38:42
For me dragging the vertical divider is not slow and does not loose its grip. Not sure what this could be related to...
Title: Re : Usability suggestions: Aries Editor
Post by: FredericL on October 13, 2019, 18:41:06
Regarding these:
- When clicking on an OCCU event in the list, the occupation field which appears to the right is too close to the top of the tab (seem to be the same whichever 'Appearance' option is selected)
   ==> Fixed.
- It would be helpful to include marriage(s) in the individual's event list. I understand that this is a 'shared event' (and it's visible on the spouses and children tab) but it would improve usability IMHO
   ==> Not possible. This is what Cygnus is doing but doint it in Aries is a whole change in the structure of the information.
- The text that appears in the last column on the 'Spouse(s) & Child(ren)' tab should really read 'Marriage...' rather than 'Wedding...'
   ==> Modified.
- The 'Spouse(s) & Child(ren)' tab could be renamed to 'Spouses & Children' - if there are none or just one it doesn't matter, it just looks better (IMHO again!)
   ==> Modified.
- Some individuals with two given names have a comma displayed after their names while others do not. People with one or three given names do not seem to have a comma at the end. (maybe a subtle bug or bad data at import?)
   ==> ??? I do not know what this is. 
- The lock icon at top right is jammed against the edge of the frame, the lower lock and associate icons are up against the top of the tab and neither lock icon has a tooltip to explain what it does
   ==> Fixed.
Title: Re: Usability suggestions: Aries Editor
Post by: Paul on October 13, 2019, 18:49:07
Awesome as usual :D

I'll try to narrow down the problem with resizing window/column headings.
Title: Re : Usability suggestions: Aries Editor
Post by: Paul on October 13, 2019, 19:02:05
OK, both dragging issues seem to be related to the number of items in the Gallery tab; no items resize speed is fine, few items slower, 10+ items incredibly slow. Maybe they are being re-read each time??

EDIT: If I have the Events or Parents&Siblings tabs selected (for example) there is no issue with resizing the window. It's definitely confined to the Gallery tab.
Title: Re: Usability suggestions: Aries Editor
Post by: Paul on October 13, 2019, 19:54:27
Did the tab title 'Parents & Siblings' change - mine says Parents & Sibling now.

And how come the 'Spouses & Children' and 'Alias' tabs don't have a little icon like the others :)

(Actually 'Alias' should probably read 'Aliases')

EDIT: 'Other names' should be 'Other Names' and also needs an icon ;)
Title: Re: Usability suggestions: Aries Editor
Post by: FredericL on October 13, 2019, 21:59:26
OK : fixed "aliases" and icons.

Sibling did not change. Shoud it be sibling or siblings ?

Regarding slow Galery, don't know yet.

Best.
Title: Re: Usability suggestions: Aries Editor
Post by: Paul on October 13, 2019, 22:13:18
Siblings :D
Title: Re: Usability suggestions: Aries Editor
Post by: FredericL on October 14, 2019, 05:25:13
Done.
Title: Re: Usability suggestions: Aries Editor
Post by: Paul on October 14, 2019, 07:31:29
Downloaded update but still says 'Parents & Sibling' rather than siblings. Maybe you changed it after committing other changes...?

The INDI name, the lock icons, the tab icons and the correct plurals are all great - thanks!

The divider-dragging issue only happens when the gallery tab is open; if I switch to 'Events' for example (for the same person) the dragging is normal.

EDIT: Maybe I'm missing this but is there some way to switch directly to a person's spouse within Aries?

In the Spouses&Children tab I can double-click to edit the family or double click on a child to open an editor window for them but there doesn't seem to be a way to switch the view to a spouse (other than edit family and then choose the little edit button in the mother or father box).

Maybe a right-click context menu with 'switch to this person' would do it, allowing users to switch to a spouse or child without opening another window?
Title: Re: Usability suggestions: Aries Editor
Post by: Paul on October 15, 2019, 08:33:34
More with regard to the Gallery tab:

Switching to that tab can be very slow - where there are say 5 or 6 multimedia objects it can take almost 2 seconds for the tab to become active after clicking its title.

Just a thought, is it maybe that the generation of thumbnails in the table is being done on the fly? That might explain the delay as some of my indis have several large images attached.TBH I don't find the thumbnails that useful as they are often too small to determine the actual content of the image (and there could be other ways to denote the favourite image).

EDIT: Just noticed something else... I have Aries open with entities table and dynamic tree window next to it. If I have the Gallery tab open it is also very slow to switch between the tabs of the other two windows i.e. the gallery tab is affecting the other windows. Hope I've explained that ok -  see attached!

Title: Re: Usability suggestions: Aries Editor
Post by: FredericL on October 15, 2019, 23:19:03
Gallery : I could also observe that the sliding tab gets slow when picture sizes are large. When there are small, it is ok. You are right : the code scales down the original pictures when the table is updated. Not sure it is optimal. The fix is a bit complex to do. I hope you can live without it for the moment... :-).

Switching to spouse: the most direct way you have is the right-click (on the aries editor somewhere between sex menu list and sosa number: Navigate to > Spouse,  or else you can use the navigator view.
Title: Re: Usability suggestions: Aries Editor
Post by: Paul on October 16, 2019, 07:31:19
I hope you can live without it for the moment... :-).
Certainly, it's not that important.

Thumbnails could be generated and stored with the same filename in a ./thumbnails folder whenever a new media object is added. It would be an order of magnitude quicker to load them rather than generating them from possibly large files on the fly. But I do wonder if it's worth having the tiny icons in the list at all :D

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Switching to spouse: the most direct way you have is the right-click (on the aries editor somewhere between sex menu list and sosa number: Navigate to > Spouse
Ah, I never thought of that - thank you!
Title: Re: Usability suggestions: Aries Editor
Post by: Paul on October 16, 2019, 17:11:18
Switching to spouse: the most direct way you have is the right-click (on the aries editor somewhere between sex menu list and sosa number: Navigate to > Spouse,  or else you can use the navigator view.

I've just noticed that this option isn't always available. I can only seem to get it to appear in the context menu if the individual is active in the dynamic tree. Is that expected?
Title: Re : Usability suggestions: Aries Editor
Post by: FredericL on October 16, 2019, 20:21:27
Regardless of the dynnamic tree, the context meny for an entity works fine in Aries. Right-clicking between sex box and ID number.
Title: Re: Re : Usability suggestions: Aries Editor
Post by: Paul on October 16, 2019, 20:43:44
Regardless of the dynnamic tree, the context meny for an entity works fine in Aries. Right-clicking between sex box and ID number.

I must be doing something wrong since it doesn't always appear - see attached. This person has a spouse and marriage event but there's no 'navigate' option.

EDIT I've just noticed, sometimes the context menu is 'Actions for Name' other times it's 'Actions for Individuals' (with navigation option) but I can't figure out why these two different menus appear when clicking in the same area.

EDIT2: If I select or double-click someone in the entity table it always shows 'actions for name'. If I make that person active in dynamic tree it shows 'actions for indi'. However, if I navigate back and forward using the navigation arrows it always shows '...for indi' if it has already done so. Seems like a bug?
Title: Re : Usability suggestions: Aries Editor
Post by: FredericL on October 17, 2019, 05:23:47
If you use the context menu from the entity table, the context is the field being selected.
If Name is selected, the context menu (even the one from Aries) will title "...for name". If "Id" is selected form instance, the context menu will title "...for Indi".
I will see if I can fix this.
Title: Re: Usability suggestions: Aries Editor
Post by: Paul on October 17, 2019, 07:45:45
Ah I see, having just Aries open the context menu is always "..for indi" as expected. Again, not a major problem but worth improving if possible :D

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: Usability suggestions: Aries Editor
Post by: FredericL on October 17, 2019, 21:45:54
I have fixed this. Tomorrow context menu should be on entity.
Title: Re: Usability suggestions: Aries Editor
Post by: Paul on October 18, 2019, 07:29:37
Great, thanks, works perfectly.

Where can I find the changelog for Ancestris daily version BTW?
Title: Re : Re: Usability suggestions: Aries Editor
Post by: Zurga on October 18, 2019, 14:03:40
Where can I find the changelog for Ancestris daily version BTW?
I'm afraid there is no such of list.
There was a nabble site with all commits : http://en.ancestris.org/index.php?title=Contribute#Commits_Mailing_List
but it is closed now.

Zurga
Title: Re: Re : Re: Usability suggestions: Aries Editor
Post by: Paul on October 18, 2019, 14:31:21
I'm afraid there is no such of list.
In that case, is there some other way to see what has changed - maybe add a very brief summary to the update dialog??
Title: Re: Usability suggestions: Aries Editor
Post by: Paul on November 13, 2019, 13:40:42
Just noticed (as it's not something that happens regularly!) that the individual's name at the top of Aries editor isn't automatically updated when the name is changed. Even after saving, I have to navigate away then return to see it updated.

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